The role of ai in a major evolutionary transition

scenario planning interviews

As part of our production, we intend to film a scenario planning session with a diverse group of experts going through the process of envisioning alternate futures for humanity and AI. Segments from that session will be interwoven with the evolutionary narrative.
The initial phase of our scenario planning process involves a series of interviews. These conversations are designed to identify the most important issues, ideas, and uncertainties that may shape the focus of the live, face-to-face scenario planning session.
The interviews are recorded conversations between two core members of our team—Terrence Deacon and Jay Ogilvy—and a group of invited experts. An interview with Deacon discussing his perspective on minds and computers is embedded on the essay page. Ogilvy is one of the pioneers of scenario planning, through a company he started with several colleagues in 1987, called the Global Business Network

Below, we are publishing lightly edited versions of each conversation as they become available.
Amory Lovins
Amory Lovins is an American writer, physicist, and former chairman/chief scientist of the Rocky Mountain Institute. He has written on energy policy energy policy and related areas for four decades, and served on the US National Petroleum Council, an oil industry lobbying group, from 2011 to 2018. He has provided expert testimony and published 31 books, including Reinventing Fire, Winning the Oil Endgame, Small is Profitable, Brittle Power, and Natural Capitalism.
Dr. Cornelia C. Walther
Dr. Cornelia C. Walther is a humanitarian strategist, author, and visiting scholar at Wharton’s AI & Analytics Initiative. With two decades at UNICEF and the World Food Programme, she has worked in Afghanistan, Haiti, Mali, and beyond. She now leads POZE, promoting hybrid intelligence and prosocial AI to drive systemic social change.
Dr. Michael Jacob
Dr. Michael Jacob (MD, PhD) is a neurobiologist, psychiatrist, and Assistant Professor at UCSF, also serving as Director of Psychosis and Metabolic Mental Health Clinics at the SF VA. As a researcher with Human Energy, he leads interdisciplinary work uniting theoretical, computational and experimental neuroscience to explore how lived experience shapes biology, mind and the noosphere.
Parham Pourdavood
Parham Pourdavood is a computational cognitive scientist and interdisciplinary researcher working at the intersection of neuroscience, artificial intelligence, and biosemiotics. He currently leads AI-driven research at Human Energy, where he studies how emerging technologies—such as large language models—shape cultural evolution.
Paul Saffo
Paul Saffo is a Silicon Valley-based forecaster specializing in long-term technological change and its societal impact. He is an Adjunct Professor at Stanford University and a non-resident Senior Fellow at the Atlantic Council. Saffo serves on several advisory boards, including the Long Now Foundation, and holds degrees from Harvard, Cambridge, and Stanford.
John Hagel
John Hagel III is a seasoned management consultant, author, and entrepreneur with over 40 years of experience in Silicon Valley. He founded Deloitte’s Center for the Edge and now leads Beyond Our Edge, LLC, guiding organizations through transformation and the psychology of change. His notable works include The Power of Pull and The Journey Beyond Fear.
Betty Sue Flowers
Dr. Betty Sue Flowers is a writer, editor, and international business consultant. She is an Emerita Professor of English at the University of Texas at Austin and former Director of the Lyndon B. Johnson Library and Museum. Her work spans academia, literature, and strategic foresight, including scenario planning for organizations like Shell and the OECD. She co-authored Presence and edited The Power of Myth with Joseph Campbell.
Riel Miller
Dr. Riel Miller is a Canadian economist and futurist renowned for pioneering Futures Literacy—a capability to better understand and use the future. As Head of Foresight at UNESCO (2012–2022), he led global initiatives to democratize anticipatory thinking. He currently serves as Senior Fellow at institutions including the University of New Brunswick and Ecole des Ponts Business School.
Vivienne Ming
Dr. Vivienne Ming is a theoretical neuroscientist, entrepreneur, and author dedicated to maximizing human potential through science and technology. She co-founded Socos Labs, a “mad science” incubator applying AI and neuroscience to challenges in education, health, and inclusion. Her innovations include AI systems for managing diabetes, predicting bipolar episodes, and reuniting refugee families. A former visiting scholar at UC Berkeley, Ming has been recognized among the BBC’s 100 Women and the Financial Times’ top LGBT leaders.
Peter Schwartz
Peter Schwartz is a renowned futurist and business strategist, currently serving as Senior Vice President of Strategic Planning at Salesforce. He co-founded the Global Business Network and has authored influential works like The Art of the Long View. Schwartz has advised governments and corporations on scenario planning and has consulted on films such as Minority Report and WarGames. He holds a B.S. in aeronautical engineering from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute.
Richard Probst
Richard Probst is a retired technical executive with decades of experience at the intersection of enterprise software and infrastructure. He held senior roles at SAP, focusing on product strategy, architecture, and ecosystem development. His expertise includes software-defined data centers, Big Data, and IoT. Probst also contributed to industry standards initiatives like TOSCA.
Boris Shoshitaishvili
Boris Shoshitaishvili, PhD, is a science studies scholar with a background in evolutionary biology, comparative literature, and ancient Greek epic poetry. As a 2022–2023 USC Berggruen Fellow, his research explores how Earth science concepts like the Anthropocene, Gaia Theory, and the Noosphere shape emerging planetary identities. His work has been published in Earth’s Future, The Anthropocene Review, and Noema Magazine.
Peter Leyden
Peter Leyden is a futurist, tech expert, and founder of Reinvent Futures, advising senior leaders on strategic foresight. A former managing editor at WIRED, he co-authored The Long Boom and leads The Great Progression: 2025 to 2050, a project exploring how AI and transformative technologies can drive global progress.
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